First of all, I need to admit that I have never been interested in psychology, but the video I saw was really interesting. I have never been thinking what influences people's behaviour. The vide made me think. Mr Zimbardo convinced me that it is the situation that influences person's actions. Nobody is born with a given 'good' or 'bad' character. We are developing our characters through our whole life. People we are spending time with, the environment we live in, these are the factors that influence our behaviour. When Zimbardo was talking about the experiment with students that agreed to spend time in prison just because they were paid, I started to think about people working in corporations. They are being paid for work, but in fact they are also being placed in a given situation, in a given environmnet. They are being told what to do, what rules to follow. Once they enter a company that tries to change their employees into, lets say, machines who have no word to say, who are supposed to carry out the tasks that were assigned to them, after some time they change from nice, polite happy, outgoing persons into sad, impolite people who seem to be afraid of something and have no time for their familities and friends. On the other hand, if a person enters a company that invests in its employees and treats them as humann beings, which insists on integration and satisfaction of both parties, they we deal with highly satisfied, happy people who talk about their job even during weekends, and who shout 'hello' to their work mates even if they are on the opposite site of a crowded street. The video I saw made me think. This is the situation and other people around us that make us good or bad. This are our colleagues who influence our behaviour.
I have to say that I don't really like psychology talks - I don't like that some people are trying to explain everything about what people do or don't do. The thing that in part Mr Zimbaro said is called (i think) social determinism - It one of the thinks that I remembered from my Polish classes at high school (I HATED THEM! :) ). The simple explanation of this is that people are just like they social enviroment. It's hard to not agree with that, and I felt it on my own, when I have changed my high school to another one - but it's a very long story. I think that being good or bad are two thinks that more then another ones comes from human nature. All of us sometimes makes good things and sometimes bad and it's not a big deal. All cases that Mr Zimbaro presented were in my opinion very not natural. We all have to say that being a guard in a prison is not an oridinary situation. I think that those guards from prison in Iraq just weren't teached what they will be doing, and I think that such people should have some kind of training how should they behave to prisoners who will be agressive to them - which is also a natural think because we would all be aggresive if someone put as in prison. And another think is that those guards weren't thinking they do evil things - I think that in they opition they did fun. Us who are just watching the photos are 100% sure that things they did to prisoners was evil, but we are just siting in a comfortable chair. Guards spend there months surrounded by probably aggresive prisoners with a huge pressure and probably fear. Such enviroment changed them so they thought it's nothing wrong to punish them. I think that the same situation is with Stanford Prison Experiment so I won't be commenting on that. I can't agree with what Maciej wrote in part about companys. When I had training in company about it's culture and system, I felt like they were telling me how things are and what should I do in given sitations. I think that it is very good to tell people what new enviroment arround them will be. If whose guards from Iraq prison had such a training they would be better prepared for this hard misson.
In fact, I think you did not read my opinion carefully. I did not mean that all the companies try to change their employees so that they follow internal rules only and forget about the world. I wanted to say that if you enter a company that is not interested in social development, you are placed in an uncomfortable situation. You were the lucky one, as your company wanted to teach you how to be effective employee rather than to change you into a lets say 'company slave'.
There is absolutely nothing that I have learned from this video. Including story about Lucyfer.
Why do you think people are bad? Its simple. Some were born that way, they just enjoy hurting others and some do it because of the situation the are in. You can make someone feel bad just because it will make you feel happy. Sometimes there is life that force us to do horrible things to others to protect ourselves or our family. And of course we cannot forget about main world topic - money. You have to learn to go to te best uni, learn more to graduate as one of the best, then thanks to that whole learning during many years finally you have to find a good job. Good job = good money = good life. But what if you're not smart enough? Then you are going to do everything to get as much money as you can to have the dream life. Personally I think that everyone cheats, everyone lies and everyone can be a bad person.
People are concerned about their reputation and of good status. In pursuit of this, we can destroy our lives. The evil is everywhere where desire for the contest appears, greed for power and of money. It is happening this way, because of great attraction of serving, through which it is possible to rule, to change world and people. Desire for being somebody exceptional, is often so huge that ethics are losing on meaning more and more.
I participated in a meeting with professor Zimbardo at the University of Warsaw. Social psychology very well indeed examined multiple behaviors connected with morality, rationality.
In my opinion, the majority of pro-social behavior is conditioned nomami. Prisons have a different set of doing something illegal because they so easily comes to abuse of authority.
In the experiment of the prison we have clearly seen how ugly humans can be. But some people call it the beauty of life. Being able to prove that you are the ones who is in control.
When we are under circumstances that allow us to express our truth selves we tend to abandoned ethics behind. We are animal after all we listen to what our instinct tells us and that makes us happy.
In the world of animal there is no right or wrong there is only survival.
First of all, I need to admit that I have never been interested in psychology, but the video I saw was really interesting. I have never been thinking what influences people's behaviour. The vide made me think. Mr Zimbardo convinced me that it is the situation that influences person's actions. Nobody is born with a given 'good' or 'bad' character. We are developing our characters through our whole life. People we are spending time with, the environment we live in, these are the factors that influence our behaviour. When Zimbardo was talking about the experiment with students that agreed to spend time in prison just because they were paid, I started to think about people working in corporations. They are being paid for work, but in fact they are also being placed in a given situation, in a given environmnet. They are being told what to do, what rules to follow. Once they enter a company that tries to change their employees into, lets say, machines who have no word to say, who are supposed to carry out the tasks that were assigned to them, after some time they change from nice, polite happy, outgoing persons into sad, impolite people who seem to be afraid of something and have no time for their familities and friends. On the other hand, if a person enters a company that invests in its employees and treats them as humann beings, which insists on integration and satisfaction of both parties, they we deal with highly satisfied, happy people who talk about their job even during weekends, and who shout 'hello' to their work mates even if they are on the opposite site of a crowded street. The video I saw made me think. This is the situation and other people around us that make us good or bad. This are our colleagues who influence our behaviour.
ReplyDeleteI have to say that I don't really like psychology talks - I don't like that some people
ReplyDeleteare trying to explain everything about what people do or don't do. The thing that in part
Mr Zimbaro said is called (i think) social determinism - It one of the thinks that I remembered from my Polish classes at high school (I HATED THEM! :) ). The simple explanation of this is that people are just like they social enviroment. It's hard to not agree with that, and I felt it on my own, when I have changed my high school to another one - but it's a very long story. I think that being good or bad are two thinks that more then another ones comes from human nature. All of us sometimes makes good things and sometimes bad and it's not a big deal. All cases that Mr Zimbaro presented were in my opinion very not natural. We all have to say that being a guard in a prison is not an oridinary situation. I think that those guards from prison in Iraq just weren't teached what they will be doing, and I think that such people should have some kind of training how should they behave to prisoners who will be agressive to them - which is also a natural think because we would all be aggresive if someone put as in prison. And another think is that those guards weren't thinking they do evil things - I think that in they opition they did fun. Us who are just watching the photos are 100% sure that things they did to prisoners was evil, but we are just siting in a comfortable chair. Guards spend there months surrounded by probably aggresive prisoners with a huge pressure and probably fear. Such enviroment changed them
so they thought it's nothing wrong to punish them. I think that the same situation is with
Stanford Prison Experiment so I won't be commenting on that. I can't agree with what Maciej wrote in part about companys. When I had training in company about it's culture and system, I felt like they were telling me how things are and what should I do in given sitations. I think that it is very good to tell people what new enviroment arround them will be. If whose guards from Iraq prison
had such a training they would be better prepared for this hard misson.
In fact, I think you did not read my opinion carefully. I did not mean that all the companies try to change their employees so that they follow internal rules only and forget about the world. I wanted to say that if you enter a company that is not interested in social development, you are placed in an uncomfortable situation. You were the lucky one, as your company wanted to teach you how to be effective employee rather than to change you into a lets say 'company slave'.
ReplyDeleteThere is absolutely nothing that I have learned from this video. Including story about Lucyfer.
ReplyDeleteWhy do you think people are bad? Its simple.
Some were born that way, they just enjoy hurting others and some do it because of the situation the are in.
You can make someone feel bad just because it will make you feel happy. Sometimes there is life that force us to do horrible things to others to protect ourselves or our family.
And of course we cannot forget about main world topic - money. You have to learn to go to te best uni, learn more to graduate as one of the best, then thanks to that whole learning during many years finally you have to find a good job. Good job = good money = good life. But what if you're not smart enough? Then you are going to do everything to get as much money as you can to have the dream life. Personally I think that everyone cheats, everyone lies and everyone can be a bad person.
People are concerned about their reputation and of good status. In pursuit of this, we can destroy our lives. The evil is everywhere where desire for the contest appears, greed for power and of money. It is happening this way, because of great attraction of serving, through which it is possible to rule, to change world and people. Desire for being somebody exceptional, is often so huge that ethics are losing on meaning more and more.
ReplyDeleteI participated in a meeting with professor Zimbardo at the University of Warsaw. Social psychology very well indeed examined multiple behaviors connected with morality, rationality.
ReplyDeleteIn my opinion, the majority of pro-social behavior is conditioned nomami. Prisons have a different set of doing something illegal because they so easily comes to abuse of authority.
In the experiment of the prison we have clearly seen how ugly humans can be. But some people call it the beauty of life. Being able to prove that you are the ones who is in control.
ReplyDeleteWhen we are under circumstances that allow us to express our truth selves we tend to abandoned ethics behind. We are animal after all we listen to what our instinct tells us and that makes us happy.
In the world of animal there is no right or wrong there is only survival.